Log in

No account? Create an account
15 January 2011 @ 09:51 am
Question about ships. (Not the sailing kind.)  
I wrote this big long entry about how I haven't been able to write any fic in awhile, beyond a few crappy paragraphs here and there, but it was boring and whiny even to me.  I was rereading for typos before posting and I was like, shit, this is the epitome of no1curr.

So instead I am going to ask a fandom-nonspecific question, in the hope that the answers will help me figure something else out.  And, you know, be interesting to read besides.

What is your all-time favorite ship?  Why?  And what was the moment/scene/episode that made you feel really invested in that relationship?  And if you can't narrow it down to one, just write about two or three.  (But not, like, ten.  Commit, you wishy-washy girl.)  (Unless you're a boy.)  (Do any boys even read this?)

It occurs to me that I should get the ball rolling.  As much as I've greatly loved other ships since, and as much as it's hard to really be objective about the whole thing, I'd have to say that ship that meant the most to me in general - though certainly not right at this moment - would be Mulder and Scully from The X-Files.  It wasn't my first ship (that would be Link and Zelda, tyvm), but XF in general was a show that aired at a critical time in my life.  I was 11 when it started, and 20 when it ended.  So many of my dramatic sensibilities were formed by that show - what kind of stories I enjoy, how I like them being told, my expectations as far as quality goes, my love of shows that can experiment and defy their own premise, and so on.  But most of all, the relationship between Mulder and Scully was an important one for me.  I prefer ships that start off with a foundation of respect, and trust, and actual friendship.  I'll never be that interested in two people meeting who seem to immediately fall in love without even knowing each other, for instance.  Or relationships that start with lust and proceed from there.

Most importantly, I think, Mulder/Scully for me is all about the absolute equality in the relationship.  For every time he saves her from danger, she saves him right back.  Where one is strong, the other is weak, and they hold each other up.  They might have disagreements but they don't belittle each other, or treat each other cruelly.  That's what I want to see in a ship, even if it means foregoing manufactured ship drama.  (Actually, especially if it means forgoing any of that.)  And the first time I really knew that I needed them to be together would have been the Duane Berry arc - Scully is abducted and Mulder cannot save her, and has to hope against ever increasing odds that she'll return to him alive.  It was the first time that there was the sense that they didn't just respect each other and depend on each other, and maybe be attracted to each other - Mulder was lost without her.  He could not function.  And to need someone else like that is pretty heady stuff.
Shannon: bsg goodbyekungfuwaynewho on January 15th, 2011 08:13 pm (UTC)
I had a hard time choosing, too! When I did a TV meme last summer and got to favorite ship, I just picked Mulder/Scully, Buffy/Spike, Picard/Crusher, Roslin/Adama, and John/Delenn. (We obviously have the exact same ship tastes, LOL.) I already know that by the time I get around to watching Voyager that I'll ship Janeway/Chakotay, too. If, for nothing else, how pretty they are.

My first Battlestar Galactica episode was Resurrection Ship I, and the second was Part II, where Adama kisses her at the end? Yeah, I was done for. I don't normally start off shipping people from the get-go, but I did for those two.
there's coffee in that nebula: bsg roslin/adamaun_crayon_rouge on January 15th, 2011 09:22 pm (UTC)
I think the only thing that stopped me from putting Scully/Mulder on the list was how angry the last movie made me. To quote: "This is not happeningggggggg!" Gah.

If you want to fall right into the Janeway/Chakotay ship, all you have to do is watch the pilot, and then go straight to "Resolutions". Oh man, such a pity the writers were too chicken shit to go anywhere with that. Of course, as soon as Seven of Nine and her sprayed on suit come on board, all bets are off. Ah, don't make me talk.

Also, the boyfriend just reminds me that I should have Torchwood's Jack/Ianto as an honorary mention. True, because they have it all: angst, extreme prettiness, suits, tragedy. Plus points for being one of the very few fictional homosexual couples that are not token and whose sexuality is not the main issue of the relationship and the show and the characters. Other than that, I can only think of Tara and Willow. It's always sci-fi in the end...
Shannon: bsg revelationskungfuwaynewho on January 15th, 2011 10:25 pm (UTC)
I didn't think it was the greatest thing in the world, but I liked the last movie okay - what did you not like about it?

I haven't even watched any Doctor Who, let alone Torchwood, LOL. Maybe some day! Although I feel like I'm just hopelessly spoiled for both shows.
there's coffee in that nebula: x-files mulder childun_crayon_rouge on January 15th, 2011 10:52 pm (UTC)
To tell you the truth, I don't even remember *why* I was so angry, I haven't watched the movie since it was released. Maybe I should. I vaguely remember that the storyline had something about severed heads(?) that I thought was extremely dumb. Mainly I was just angry they tried so hard to pretend the last seasons hadn't happened. I mean, yes, some of that stuff was not the best television ever, but it was part of the show and the story, and, innocent me, I had expected the movie to have something to do with that. Silly me. Also, I couldn't help but be disappointed that Mulder and Scully weren't living happily ever after, but that might be the fourteen-year old shipper in me. Possibly.
Shannon: xf umbrellaskungfuwaynewho on January 15th, 2011 11:30 pm (UTC)
I don't know that they pretended like the last seasons didn't happen - they did mention William, and Mulder was still in hiding at the beginning. Although honesty? S8 broke me and I didn't watch S9, so I was okay with the movie not paying a lot of reference to those years. :p

But...they did end up living happily ever after! They had a fight, sure, because they needed some conflict between them during the movie, but they kiss and make up by the end. I was actually really happy with that part of it.
there's coffee in that nebulaun_crayon_rouge on January 16th, 2011 08:45 am (UTC)
Ok, now I *really* need to rewatch that. The way I remember it, in the end they agreed to go their separate ways. They did kiss, yes, because they obviously love each other and always will, but Mulder couldn't offer Scully what she wanted (a steady, *normal* relationship), and Scully couldn't do what Mulder wanted, which was to just take off, the two of them together, and never look back.

Come to think of it, it may all be due to the fact that I was forced to see this dubbed in Spanish. I never do that. Dubbing is dreadful, they actually change the meaning of words and whole sentences just to make them fit the movements of the actors' mouths...